Niko Canner is the founder of Incandescent where he and his team help the leaders of large companies in the areas of strategy and innovation. He was also the founder of Katzenbach Partners and a member of Bridgewater’s management committee. Niko is a fantastic writer, and I highly recommend you check out his blog “On Human Enterprise,” which has posts on many of the most interesting aspects of business and personal purpose. This conversation was inspired by many of those posts. Please enjoy.
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Show Notes
1:17 – (First Question) – The story of Doctor V
3:24 – Aravind and the Choice of Great Achievement
4:00 – Becoming the perfect instrument
6:05 – What is Niko planning to be the perfect instrument of
8:18 – How should individuals think about finding what they can be the perfect instrument of
8:59 – Brett Victor – Inventing on Principle
10:59 – How do businesses apply this principle
13:20 – Making choices easier
16:43 – Era’s to a company and when it’s time to start a new one
19:52 – How can business culture be cultivated and useful
22:53 – Cultures at the tail end of a distribution
24:33 – Can hierarchy be fluid, or does it need to be a dedicated corporate structure
27:47 – My Unlikeliest Favorite Business Book
28:03 – The Millionaire Real Estate Agent: It's Not About the Money...It's About Being the Best You Can Be!
30:46 – The Red Test and how it can be used by businesses
36:54 - Ten Principles for How to Run a Company
42:25 – Dealing with the sponsor owner brief in the software world
45:24 – How does one choose customers
46:32 – Bill Hubbard passage – A Theory for Practice: Architecture in Three Discourses
49:09 – Kindest thing anyone has done for Niko
Learn More
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For the 100th episode, I’ve brought back my good friend Brent Beshore. Brent was the 10th guest on the podcast, after we met because of a mutual interest in capital allocation. I quickly learned that Brent was one of the most unique and thoughtful investors around. He was an entrepreneur from the moment he left school, trying many different things before finding a fit buying smaller business with the intention of owning them forever.
What amazes me about Brent is his encyclopedic understanding of business and the nuances of different business models and deal structures. This comes from reps. He and his team have looked at about 12,000 deals over the years, at every kind of business that you could imagine. I’ve been with him when he goes through this process and it’s fun to hear what makes certain businesses stand out from others, which is largely the topic of this conversation.
You all know transparency is key for me, so it’s important to know that my family and I are investors in a fund called permanent equity, run by Brent and his firm Adventure.es.
To commemorate this milestone episode, I can think of no one better than Brent, because he exemplifies what has made this podcast so fun for me: learning from other people who are willing to share what they themselves have learned through fun, blood, sweat, and tears. Please enjoy our conversation, and thank you so much for coming along on this journey. I can’t tell you how much it means to me.
For more episodes go to InvestorFieldGuide.com/podcast.
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Show Notes
2:02 - (First Question) – How does he think about optimizing risk in terms of the capital stack when looking at deals
5:27 – What conditions would they add debt down the road after investing in a company
6:52 – What business sectors are most intriguing for Morgan to invest in right now
6:57 – Trent Griffin Podcast
9:34 – Why no HVAC businesses if it’s such an attractive sector
13:56 – thoughts on rolling up similar businesses and horizontal scale
16:04 – Another industry Brent would focus on
18:02 – Difference between property management in larger cities vs smaller metro areas
18:51 – What role does profit margin play when Brent is evaluating a business
22:46 – The appeal of a hyper cyclical business
22:52 – Brent Beshore Podcast Episode
27:27 – Favorite counter cyclical business
28:14 – How they judge assets, tangible vs intangible assets
33:58 – How does he think about wage inflation when considering the cost of a business
37:21 – His fascination with pet crematoriums
38:57 – History of the permanent equity fund and the changes by having a larger pool of capital
43:48 – Pitching investors on a new structure for the business
46:14 – How will this business model scale
Learn More
For more episodes go to InvestorFieldGuide.com/podcast.
Sign up for the book club, where you’ll get a full investor curriculum and then 3-4 suggestions every month at InvestorFieldGuide.com/bookclub
Follow Patrick on twitter at @patrick_oshag