My guest today is Ben Savage, a partner at Clocktower ventures. Ben is focused on financial technology, fintech, investing which is the topic of our conversation.
I’ve been making the fintech is rounds of late, and plan on making a few of these conversations public. Ben is the first in what may be a mini-series because of the sheer amount I learned in our discussion.
We cover all aspects of the fintech ecosystem. I hope you enjoy.
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Show Notes
1:15 (First Question) – The market portfolio and how technology will move us away from liquid markets
7:24 – Businesses that are making assets that weren’t investable, investable
9:11 – Ryan Caldbeck Podcast Episode
12:03 – Most interesting places where technology is creating investment opportunities
18:33 – Assets that are likely to tap into new sources of beta
23:46 – How well are investors prepared for the changes that are coming
28:35 – Trends in asset management with technology
33:05 – View on cryptocurrency and blockchain
36:45 – Places where startups can reduce costs/fees and create efficiencies
40:17 – Views on private equity markets and their future
45:40 – Privilege of access problem
48:50 – Verticals in fintech that are interesting to him
59:53 – The importance of focus and niche
1:02:26 – Kindest thing anyone has done for Ben
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My guest this week is Jeff Ma. Jeff was on the famous MIT Blackjack team from the book Bringing Down the House but has spent his career in an around fields of analytics and data science. He’s studied sports betting and analytics, built companies for analyzing human capital, and ran the data science and analytics group at Twitter. Here are links to his book, blog, and podcast.
Our discussion is about a number of fascinating ways data is being used to make decisions in the worlds of sports and business. Please enjoy!
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Show Notes
1:20 - (First Question) – How quantitative analytics have evolved in sports and how they’re being used
4:26 – Best role of humans in the analysis process
8:38 – Sports that are most interesting to observe through analytics
10:26 – How does luck play into sports analysis
11:54 – Team analytics vs better analytics
12:38 – Concentration of success among sports betters and their moats
14:58 – Favorite lessons learned from professional gamblers
16:45 – How analytics got introduced into gambling
19:21 – Understanding one’s own biases
24:04 – How he became VP of analytics at Twitter
28:37 – Primary lessons from the work evaluating human capital and talent with analytics
28:59 – Niel Roberson Podcast Episode
31:40 – How to model people for success when hiring
33:29 – How to hire the right data scientists’ team
37:54 – Most interesting problems they tackled at twitter
42:31 – Responsibility of social platforms to police itself
45:34 – Areas that would interest him in the future as an investor
49:24 – Kindest thing anyone has done for Jeff
51:50 – Values instilled in him by his parents.
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My guest today is Vaughn Tan, who studies quality, innovation, and organizational behavior. His resume is bonkers. He’s a PhD from Harvard, Was an infantry signals logistician in the Republic of Singapore Army, then worked at Google on advertising, Earth, Maps, spaceflight, and Fusion Tables. He’s also been a wood sculptor.
But the topic of our conversation is how to foster quality and innovation in ourselves and inside of companies—lessons he learned in part by studying inside some of the world’s best restaurants.
If you enjoy this conversation, I recommend you also check out his new book, The Uncertainty Mindset Innovation Insights from the Frontiers of Food. Please enjoy my conversation with Vaughn Tan.
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Show Notes
1:33 - (First Question) – Interesting ways to identify high quality
5:06 – The current problem with the way we think about the world
8:56 – How people think about their careers and college
11:21 – Uncertainty vs risk, and productive discomfort
19:08 – Cultivation of discomfort for an individual
24:05 – Successful innovation cultures
32:25 – Analyzing quality and restaurant bread
37:43 – The Slug idea
40:43 – His research project where he observed restaurants
45:44 – How do people mandate their own structure in the face of uncertainty
53:46 – How employees should approach this rent-to-buy hiring structure
57:17 – Example of someone who took advantage of uncertainty time
1:00:05 – Playful adults
1:00:07 – Jerry Neumann Podcast Episode
1:03:10 – Other changes companies can make to their culture to be more innovative
1:08:19 – The difference between simplicity and complexity
1:11:12 – How he applies his thinking into several different ideas, like Cannabis
1:16:17 – Asking the right question
1:19:05 – Andy Rachleff Podcast Episode
1:20:19 – Kindest thing anyone has done for Vaughn
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My guest this week is Gavin Baker, the founder, and manager of Atreides Management. I met Gavin in the same way I meet many of the most interesting people, on twitter. His focus is on consumer and technology growth investing, which is the topic of our conversation. We discuss many of the largest trends in these sectors, several fascinating investment cases, and also explore the videogame industry in detail—which I found especially interesting. Please enjoy my conversation with Gavin Baker.
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Show Notes
1:16 – (first question) – His unique view on the markets
4:00 – Distilling Apple as a growth investment
6:44 – What is the most important lever for Apple looking forward
9:01 – His view on Intel
11:03 – Most important technological changes that may dictate his investing strategy
16:20 – How do you look at a big idea, like AR, and then apply to an individual business
18:21 – Fortnite isn't a game, it's a place
18:26– Fortnite Is the Future, but Probably Not for the Reasons You Think
18:56 – His insight into video games and their ability to control attention
28:36 – How do you invest in the gaming sector
40:06 – Favorite video games
32:07 – Why gaming and customer sector allows him to find Alpha richness
34:17 – Being in the top 1% of knowledge before investing in a company
36:24 – His view on value investing today and, in the future,
41:15 – Increase of regulatory capture
42:01 – Headwinds to the tech companies today
43:50 – Thoughts on the Chinese internet market and how it impacts US markets
45:36 – How often companies look at China for ideas
46:21 – Role of alternative data in his process
49:36 – Big trends today we should be paying attention to
54:20 – the most interesting company he does not own
58:48 – Advice for new investors
1:00:17 – Non-obvious tech resources - TechMeme
1:00:50 – Favorite sci-fi character
1:01:19 – Kindest thing anyone has done for him
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All opinions expressed by Patrick and podcast guests are solely their own opinions and do not reflect the opinion of O'shaughnessy asset management. This podcast is for informational purposes only and should not be relied upon as a basis for investment decisions. Clients of O'shaughnessy asset management may maintain positions in the securities discussed in this podcast. Clients of the podcast guest’s firm may also maintain positions in the securities discussed in this podcast.
My guests this week are Kevin Systrom and Mike Krieger, the co-founders of Instagram.
I met Kevin and Mike a few months ago over a shared interest in business and investing. I have found them both to be extremely good people who have a rare talent for finding and solving interesting problems. Indeed, problem-solving and jobs-to-be-done is a big part of our conversation.
I realized walking into the podcast that Kevin and Mike have a rare set of experiences: having both built and sold an extremely successful product from scratch, but then also operated and scaled inside one of the largest businesses in the world. This means they have unique knowledge to offer just about anyone interested in business and products. We dig into all those lessons here.
I am working on hosting more founders and CEOs on the podcast, and can’t think of a better pair to show you why I want to do so. Please enjoy my conversation with Kevin and Mike.
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Show Notes
1:38 – (first question) – Projects they’ve been working on since leaving Instagram
5:22 – How they can apply what they are learning in machine learning
7:18 – Most interesting experience diving back into data and machine learning
8:42 – How startups compare today to when they founded Instagram
13:23 – Judging founders and whether they know how to use their data effectively
14:26 – The jobs-to-be-done framework
19:14 – Laying out a vision vs solving problems that pop up
25:20 – Developing and sharing the principles of the company with the team
30:48 – Creating a community when it includes almost the entire world
39:03 – The most popular ways people used the platform
41:24 – What was the jobs-to-be-done rational behind the stories feature
44:15 – Interesting things that they saw as Instagram entered the developing world
46:40 – Their thoughts on how Instagram shaped culture and if they focused on those
52:58 – The new waves that they are observing right now
55:11 – How their thinking on leadership and teams changed during their time at Instagram and Facebook
1:03:23 – The pillars of a good business, including humility and confidence
1:06:06 – Focus on growth and distribution in a startup
1:10:01 – How early were they thinking about monetization on this free platform
1:13:43 – How do they think about how they invest their money and allocate resources
1:17:36 – Mentors for Kevin and Mike
1:20:30 – Their passion for learning to fly and the someday/maybe list
1:23:01 – Their interest in coffee
1:26:24 – Advice for everyone else
1:30:00 – Kindest thing anyone has done for them
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My guest this week is Daniel Ek, the founder and CEO of Spotify.
In my conversations with Daniel, I’ve found him to be one of the most interesting and thoughtful business leaders in the world. You’ll see what I mean as you listen to our conversation.
We talk about Spotify plenty, but what I so enjoy about Daniel is his way of thinking in systems and frameworks. He is committed to evolution, innovation, and growth for both himself and for Spotify and is on my shortlist of CEOs to emulate.
This was one of my favorite conversations on the podcast, I hope you enjoy it.
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Show Notes
1:21 – (first question) – Management lessons from a Dubai chocolate maker
4:54 – Trends shaping the business landscape today: globalization, automation, and digitation
7:51 – How he thinks about the vertical integration of his business and scale
10:37 – Are companies doing a good job adjusting to the changes in the global business landscape
14:44 – How does Spotify view scale moving forward
17:59 – What trends has he seen among creators as a result of the Spotify platform
20:32 – The community benefit that has been created by the platform
23:47 – Intimacy of audio
25:31 – Creating an environment that continues to spur innovation
29:12 – Star vs constellation business strategy
32:21 – Measuring network health
35:12 – Spotify Originals and what his competition in the video market is doing
39:36 – How podcasts play into the growth strategy
43:04 – How did he solve the problem of competing with free
47:21 – Is their strategy repeatable, going after fractured suppliers
49:02 – Role of the CEO in a startup
51:22 – Others who have taught him great business lessons
53:18 – Kindest thing anyone has done for Daniel
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My guest this week is George Rzepecki, the found and managing partner Raba, an Africa focused investment firm. George is making investments across Africa in early-stage companies. Africa represents a fascinating opportunity: a huge and diverse population and enormous room for per capita GDP growth. We cover all aspects of investing in the continent, including unique potential rewards and risks.
Please enjoy our conversation.
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Show Notes
1:18 – (first question) – Interest in emerging markets and the tech landscape in Africa
4:57 – Similarities across all of the different metro markets across Africa
8:05 – Why has the continent lagged behind the rest of the world
10:49 – What is the history and landscape of capital in the African continent
13:32 – The market opportunity given the demographics
15:44 – US investment/involvement in Africa
18:06 – Kinds of companies that he likes to invest in
23:26 – Initiatives and investments that could help lift the population out of poverty: finance
29:33 – The public marketplace landscape in Africa
31:49 – Capacity on the private side
34:24 – How the valuation of deals compares to other markets
36:13 – Unique risks in the investments they are making
38:28 – Most exciting trends or changes he is seeing
40:22 – The professional investor environment
43:25 – How to learn more and get involved
43:49 – China Africa Research Initiative
44:17 – China Africa Project
44:38 – Factfulness: Ten Reasons We're Wrong About the World--and Why Things Are Better Than You Think
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My guest today is Chad Cascarilla, the CEO and co-founder of Paxos, which describes itself as a financial technology company “mobilizing assets at the speed of the internet.“ Thanks to more than 20 years of investing and financial services experience, Chad has a unique perspective on integrating blockchain technology with traditional systems. He also has one of my favorite bitcoin origin stories, which we explore.
Before Paxos, Charles co-founded institutional asset management complex Cedar Hill Capital Partners in 2005 and its blockchain-focused venture capital subsidiary, Liberty City Ventures (LCV).
Our conversation is less about cryptocurrencies and more about the history, current state, and potential future states of our financial system. Please enjoy.
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Show Notes
1:32 - (First Question) – His work in the finance world before crypto’s
5:12 – Experience navigating the subprime mortgage trend and what it taught him about blockchain
9:59 – The levers that matter in the financial services industry today vs when he first started
14:07 – Open vs closed money in financial services
19:16 – How slowdowns are different in the modern era
23:06 – What would lead to a major winding down of global debt
27:09 – What would be his focus as a traditional investor
29:21 – How he first got involved with bitcoin
29:47 – Elliott Wave Newsletter
31:53 – His measured view of Bitcoin and living through the volatility of it
32:03 – Bitcoin: A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System
35:57 – Allocation of a portfolio which includes crypto
36:54 – His involvement and feelings on gold
37:56 – The formation of Paxos and the problem it exists to solve
41:34 – How Paxos is impacting the space
44:12 – Advantages of a private blockchain
43:59 – What is Pax Gold and how does it work
48:53 – Bad ways and situations to own gold
52:12 – Using a stable coin
56:00 – Biggest problem they are working on now
57:23 – What should people be paying attention to in the crypto currency space
59:23 – Coindesk Research Archive
59:39 – Has the influx of interest in crypto helped in other spaces
1:02:11 – Other lessons people should learn from his career
1:04:53 – Kindest thing anyone has done for Chad
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My guest this week is Bill Gurley, general partner at Benchmark Capital. Our conversation is about one specific issue that has popped up as a topic of interest in the investing community in recent months: the comparison between bringing a company public through a traditional IPO vs. what’s known as a direct listing.
As a third party observer with no real dog in the hunt (as we don’t buy IPOs at O’Shaughnessy Asset Management), I thought this was a small and nuanced issue. I’ve therefore been surprised by the strength of opinions on both sides of this issue as I’ve explored it behind the scenes this past week. It feels almost like I’ve encountered a political third rail, where one side throws a lot of vitriol towards the other.
To be clear, this episode is very much in favor of direct listings instead of traditional IPOs. For those that want a good discussion of the IPO process and its upsides, check out episode 173 of the Exponent podcast with Ben Thompson.
Now please enjoy my very interesting conversation with Bill Gurley
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Show Notes
1:22 - (First Question) – His view on the IPO process
5:42 – Will now be the turning point for IPO’s
6:40 – The engagement between a new company going public and their counterparty and the IPO process
13:38 – The math of capital costs
18:18 – Banks that underprice the IPO’s
20:45 – The psychology of IPO’s
23:14 – The pop in the IPO and the media
24:54 – The value that shareholders give vs VC’s
25:37 – The Green Shoots
28:17 – The lock-up
31:40 – Direct listings vs IPO’s
36:07 – Spotify’s CEO Reveals Why He’s Not Doing a Traditional IPO
38:23 – The capital raised in an IPO and diluting the company
40:18 – Privilege access and buy-side firms
43:33 – What will actually lead to changes in the IPO space
44:48 – Why he became so interested in the IPO space
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My guest this week is Albert Wenger, a managing partner at Union Square Ventures and the author of the book World After Capital.
Albert studied economics at Harvard and earned a PhD in information from technology, but if you’d asked me to guess before looking those up, I’d have guessed that he studied philosophy because of how widely he has thought about the world and the impact of technology.
Our conversation is about how technology is changing the world from an Industrial Age to a knowledge age. We explore how cryptocurrencies, low cost computing, and regulation will impact our future and why the transition may require delicate care.
I loved this conversation because of my obsession with the concept of scarcity. We explore what has been scarce through time and what may be scarce in the future. Albert is one of the most interesting thinkers I’ve come across and was a pleasure to speak with. I hope you enjoy our conversation.
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Show Notes
2:16 – (First Question) – Defining what it means to be human
2:58 – World After Capital
3:56 – Trans-humans vs neo-humans
4:37 – The concept of Qualia
5:25 – Albert’s investment philosophy=
8:27 – How Albert began his exploration into cryptocurrencies
12:59 – Most exciting things blockchains could enable
14:27 – How does Albert view blockchain technology from the view of an venture capital investor
17:00 - Why Albert thinks that the dominate cryptocurrency of our time may not exist just yet and what he is looking for in protocols that will become the leader in the space
20:16 – What are the central functions that will be important in cryptocurrencies
21:22 - The state of regulation in the cryptocurrency space
27:37 – What has Albert most excited for the future of blockchain
29:10 – The idea of universal basic income
32:26 – How do you solve the problem of giving money value in a world of universal basic income
35:00 – How scarcity has changed over time
39:01 – Role of financial capital in the last 200 years of civilization
42:39 – Are we as a society only capable of solving problems once they become an immediate threat
44:15 – Explaining the idea of attention as a scarce resource
47:56 – The two key drivers of change; zero marginal cost distribution and universality of computational power
53:13 - What should we as investors and inventors be focusing on as the new objective function
57:24 – Scariest aspect of this transition into the knowledge age
59:45 – Three basic freedoms we all seek; informational, economic, psychological
1:02:13 – Fermi’s paradox and the scarcity of attention
1:02:56 – How Albert thinks about his own day and wellbeing given all of this information
1:05:01 – Kindest thing anyone has done for Albert
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My guest this week are Matt Smith and Ian singer of Deep Basin Capital, a hedge fund specializing in the energy sector.
I first met Matt almost 10 years and, in that time, I’ve grown to respect him as much as any investor that I’ve ever met. Now having spent time with Ian, who specializes in oil and gas field exploration companies and the rest of the Deep Basin team, I have similar respect and admiration for all of them.
Deep Basin does almost the exact opposite of what us quants do. In fact, their entire goal is to build a portfolio of mostly idiosyncratic or stock specific risk, the very thing us quants mostly remove from portfolios. Deep Basin positions the portfolio to make a series of carefully constructed bets, long and short, without taking market risk, style-factor risk, or even commodity risk. They use a hybrid fundamental and quantitative process which we explore in detail. This is definitely another good example of who we are all up against in public markets.
What makes this story unique is that we are investors in Deep Basin’s management company and so have a clear interest in their ongoing success. Listeners know that I want to be as transparent as possible on this podcast so we event spend a little time telling the story about how it all came together a few years ago.
I have learned a ton about investing from my countless hours with this team and hope that this conversation gives you a glimpse into what is happening at the cutting edge of investing in the world of hedge funds.
Please enjoy my conversation with Deep Basin
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Expectations Investing: Reading Stock Prices for Better Returns
Show Notes
2:47 – (First Question) – Looking at the universe of the energy space that they are focusing on
7:48 – Breaking down the important components and their labels in this space
10:27 – What makes energy companies distinct from the broader market.
12:52 – How the isolate unique value creation
14:58 – Ian’s take on the upstream part of the business where he has spent a lot of time
18:35 – How does Deep Basin use data and what edge do they derive from it.
21:31 – What insight are they looking for from updated well data
23:59 – How do they use combine the business value that they measure with the market price that is being forecasted
24:40 – Expectations Investing: Reading Stock Prices for Better Returns
29:34 – How do they build an actual portfolio
31:51 – Their systematic approach to energy investing
37:53 – What are their thoughts about using leverage when making investments in the energy space
40:53 – A look at the changes to the hedge fund industry over the entirety of their careers
45:46 – Defining the culture of Deep Basin
49:15 – The story of how OSAM and the O’Shaughnessy’s came to be investors in the Deep Basin
54:13 – Kindest thing anyone has done for each of them
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My guest this week is Pat Dorsey, who was the longtime director of equity research at Morningstar, where he specialized in economic moats: sources of sustained competitive advantage that allow a few companies to deliver huge returns over time. Several years ago he left Morningstar to form his own asset management firm, Dorsey asset management, and build a portfolio of companies with wide moats like those he studied at Morningstar. And while moats are critical, equally important is how companies allocate the capital generated--or made possible--by the existence of the moat.
A special thank you to Brian Bares who introduced me to Pat, and to Will Thorndike--an earlier guest on the show. In the vast majority of conversations you hear on this show, I'm meeting the guest for the first time. I mention this to encourage you to connect me with anyone whose story or way of looking at the world might resonate. Always feel free to contact me with ideas.
Pat and I begin our discussion with the key differences between the sell side and the buy side, and then discuss all aspects of moats and capital allocation.
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Show Notes
2:23 – (First question) – Transition from the sell side to the buy side and the biggest surprise
3:40 – What is a moat
5:16 – What part of the stock market universe has a moat
6:57 – Pat’s framework for identifying moat, starting with intangibles
8:32 – The power of brands
9:44 – what chance does an upstart have to come in and usurp a well-established brand
12:24 – Switching costs as part of the framework for identifying a moat
14:55 – The third component of identifying a moat, network effects, and what businesses should do to effectively build one
17:29 – Last component, cost advantages/economies of scale
19:29 – How do you analyze these four components into an investing framework that can be built into an actual strategy
21:13 – How does Pat think about this from a mis-pricing standpoint
23:37 – How does Pat incorporate current price of a company in consideration for future returns when pricing a moat
25:39 – How should a company with a moat operate to protect that characteristic, especially when it comes to their capital allocation
26:51 – Which characteristic of a moat does Pat find most intriguing
30:35 – What makes for good and smart capital allocation
35:58 – What is Pat’s process for identifying the best investment opportunities
38:38 – What are good economics when looking at a company
41:03 – If Pat could take any business, but have to swap leadership, what would he choose.
44:13 – Back to his process of finding investment opportunities
46:05 – Kindest thing anyone has ever done for Pat
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My guest this week is Joe McLean, the founder of Intersect Capital, which provides financial advisory services to a variety of clients, including a number of NBA players and other professional athletes.
What I loved about this conversation was the weaving of sport, coaching, and finance into a cohesive whole. There’s so much to take from this discussion—from the importance of service and low self-orientation to the impact of strict standards for who you work with, to common mistakes we all tend to make with money.
Please enjoy my conversation with Joe McLean.
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Show Notes
1:18 - (First Question) – His backstory and the combination of athleticism and finance
2:43 – His time in Ireland
3:29 – Moving away from basketball and into finance
6:08 – What the Intersect business is today and his early lessons
7:55 – Most important coach/mentor
8:59 – Where the name Intersect came from
10:22 – Setting high standards early on
12:35 – Biggest mistakes he saw in his early clients
14:04 – Developing his value proposition to clients
14:24 – Michael Kitces Podcast Episode
16:57 – Process when he’s working with a client signing a new athletic contract
19:53 – The concept of a Pro’s Pro and Top 50 Reasons Professional Athletes Remain Wealthy
22:40 – Managing clients’ interest in creating businesses off their brand
24:20 – The role media plays in athletes’ long-term strategies
25:40 – Getting early clients into compliance with his strategy
28:24 – Daily maintenance role he plays with clients
32:24 – What has impressed him most from his young clients
33:36 – What makes for a great coach
34:50 – The meaning of “all in” to Joe
35:54 – His assessment of the financial services industry today
37:32 – Where his value in service came from
39:05 – Longer term vision for his business
40:33 – Unique ways he finds himself helping his clients
43:49 – Watching his client’s mentor the next generation
45:10 – Historical players and teams he personally admires
46:22 – Athletes and venture capital investing
47:38 – Who makes up his trust network
49:09 – What he’s most excited about for the future of the business
49:46 – Kindest thing anyone has done for Joe
50:24 – Biggest impact a coach had on his life
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This week’s guest is, Zack Kanter, the founder and CEO of the Stedi. Zack and I decided not to talk much about his business on this podcast and opted instead to explore more generally, so a bit of an introduction to what they do may be helpful here for some extra context. Stedi is a platform for exchanging and automating 300+ types of business-to-business transactions - transactions like purchase orders, invoices, etc. It’s a modern take on an archaic protocol called EDI - electronic data interchange, something I’d never even heard of until several months ago. Learning about EDI is a bit like finding out about the Matrix - every physical object you come across, from the food you ate for breakfast to the clothes you’re wearing and consumer electronics you use - anything with a barcode on it - was likely touched by EDI, often dozens of times before making it into your hands. Stedi is the first update to this messaging later in decades.
Our conversation in this podcast is about business in general, starting with Zack’s fascination with Walmart and Amazon. I should also not that my family is a recent investor in Stedi, and I’m thankful to have learned a great deal from him over the past few months. Please enjoy our conversation.
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Show Notes
1:52 - (First Question) – Interest in Walmart and Amazon
4:02 – Sam Walton: Made In America
4:49 – What from their success can be applied elsewhere
11:07– The idea of tempo with a business
17:17 – Ability for a business to expand laterally
24:33 - Magic of Amazon as a constitution
26:24 – The concept of the OODA loop
26:40 – Boyd: The Fighter Pilot Who Changed the Art of War
31:51 – Orientation within software businesses
32:24 – The Systems Bible: The Beginner's Guide to Systems Large and Small
38:03 – Lessons in building software
38:37– Certain to Win: The Strategy of John Boyd, Applied to Business
41:51 – Setting a common vision for a company
44:14 – Changing the dynamic of teams and how different size teams can accomplish different things
48:00 – How leaders should think about build vs buy
51:07 – The different types of value propositions
53:07 – Utility for companies
57:31 – Concept of network health and the best question from VCs
1:04:04 – Massive projects are less frequent in a world where we can do a lot quickly
1:04:08 – Wait but Why
1:09:37 – Just in time vs just in case learning framework
1:11:55 – His favorite question
1:13:39 – Why is most commonly heard advice wrong
1:18:06 – Kindest thing anyone has done for Zack
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My guest this week is Chris Bloomstran, the president and chief investment officer of Semper Augustus Investments Group. He became famous in investing circles a few years back for his incredibly detailed investigations of Berkshire Hathaway. While we do cover Berkshire towards the end of the conversation, we spend most of our time talking about what makes for a quality business. I loved some of his angles on the current landscape, including our discussion of companies like Richemont and Disney which are actively taking distribution back in house. Please enjoy our conversation.
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Show Notes
1:18 - (First Question) – Largest investing error
4:52 – Defining quality investor and their investment strategy
11:48 – Incremental return on capital and other themes that they focus on with investments
15:33 – Importance of unique business models
22:58 – Ownership of the customer relationship
28:06 – Bringing distribution back in house
29:55 – Doing something unique with owned distribution
32:40 – His thoughts on growth and value
32:42 – Chuck Akre podcast episode
37:12 – History of his interest in Berkshire Hathaway and he characterizes the business
53:29 – How is Berkshire protected into the future
59:17 – Most important trends in adjustments
1:08:00 – Which sectors or industries would he focus on
1:10:02 – Most intriguing business he’s unlikely to own
1:11:44 – Kindest thing anyone has done for him
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My guest this week is Brian Christian, the author of two of my favorite recent books: Algorithms to Live By and The Most Human Human. Our conversation covers the present and future of how humans interact with and use computers. Brian’s thoughts on the nature of intelligence and what it means to be human continue to make me think about what works, and life, will be like in the future. I hope you enjoy our conversation.
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Show Notes
1:11 - (First Question) – Summarizing his collection of interests that led to his three books
2:59 – Biggest questions in AI
3:43 – Defining AGI (Artificial General Intelligence) and its history
5:18 – Computing Machinery and Intelligence
7:54 – The idea of the most human human
9:59 – Tactics that have changed the most in learning to be the most human human
16:10 –Tests for measuring AGI and updates made to them
20:12 – Concerns for once we have AGI
26:06 – Self-awareness as a threshold for AGI
31:58 – Skeptics’ take on AGI
37:14 – Advice for people building careers and how AGI will impact work
38:16 – Explore/Exploit trade-off
44:57 – How to explore/exploit applies to business concepts
49:16 – Impacts of AGI on the economy
52:40 – Highlights from his second book
57:39 – Kindest thing anyone has done for Brian
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My guest this week is Eric Sorensen, the CEO of Panagora asset management, which manages more than $46B for clients across a variety of strategies.
Eric began his career serving in the Air Force as both a pilot and instructor in high-performance jet aircraft. He then accumulated 40 years of quantitative research and investment experience, with a Ph.D. along the way.
Please enjoy our conversation on the changing landscape of quantitative investment strategies.
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Show Notes
1:15 - (First Question) – His background in the Air Force
1:23 – Boyd: The Fighter Pilot Who Changed the Art of War
3:18 – Training people on high-performance machines
4:47 – Traits that made for better pilots
5:51 – The evolution of quantitative equity research and its stages
7:56 – How his research led to becoming a practitioner
9:10 - The early feature sets in his research
10:44 – Tradeoffs in the spectrum of interpretability
12:08 – Early days of his practitioner career
13:24 – Risk Premia and the 5 C’s
14:28 – Quantitative Equity Portfolio Management: Modern Techniques and Applications
17:13 – Applying the 5 C’s to value investing
18:38 – Knowing when a strategy/signal is broken
21:24 – What does this strategy plan mean for his firm today
24:56 – Mixing expert systems and portfolio construction
30:07 – Natural language processing
32:00 – The cultivating the power and creativity to ask good questions
35:13 – The concept of a research graveyard
37:45 – State of risk premia today
40:04 – Active equity process
46:37 – Frontiers of research that he’s excited about
48:53 – Safe havens for non-quantitative investors
52:16– Advice for young quants
54:36 – Quants on the buy-side that he admires
55:41 – Kindest thing anyone has done for him
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Jane McGonigal, PhD is a world-renowned designer of alternate reality games — or, games that are designed to improve real lives and solve real problems.
She is the Author of Reality is Broken: Why Games Make Us Better and How They Can Change the World and is the inventor and co-founder of SuperBetter, a game that has helped nearly a million players tackle real-life health challenges such as depression, anxiety, chronic pain, and traumatic brain injury.
Our conversation is about how to design useful games, how games effect us and our kids, and what the future might hold. Please enjoy.
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Show Notes
1:22 - (First Question) – Her take on the history of gaming and studying the players themselves
3:44 – Where her passion for gaming really started
4:55 – Her take on flow states
7:47 – Kids and gaming
10:32 – Advice for parents when it comes to the role of games
13:53 – Types of games that develop the right skills for kids
16:20 – Four things all games share in common
16:23 – Reality Is Broken: Why Games Make Us Better and How They Can Change the World
20:50 – Her take on Carse’s theory about infinite gaming
21:04 – Finite and Infinite Games
26:28 – How to understand gaming culture if you’ve never played a game before
28:28 – Amazon and gaming
31:18 – How fun makes anything more enjoyable
34:55 – How game designers calibrate feedback loops
39:14 – The good and bad of gamifying life
45:01 – What is the superbetter app
52:43 - Why powerups and bad guys are so important in games
57:03 – Secret identity
59:04 – Playing with boundaries
1:00:36 – Most worried about in the gaming world, and most exited about
1:07:32 – Kindest thing anyone has done for Jane
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My guest this week is Bill Gurley, a general partner at Benchmark Capital and one my favorite investment thinkers. As you’ll hear, despite enormous success through his career, Bill is clearly still in love with business and investing. Where many might discuss past glories, I’ve been incredibly impressed with how both Bill and his partners emphasize the current portfolio and market landscape. I’m thankful to have had the chance to speak with him in this format. I hope you enjoy our conversation.
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Show Notes
1:13 - (First Question) – The idea of increasing returns
1:21 – Competiting Technologies, Increasing Returns, and Lock-in By Historical Events
2:07 – Complex Systems Theory – Santa Fe Institute
4:35 – Markers that could be a sign of network effect in a company
6:27 – The opportunities for companies to capture network effect
8:46 – Are there certain teams/leaders that are more conducive to leading a network effect company
11:55 – Liquidity quality
13:35 – How important is the revenue model at the beginning
15:59 – Fascination with Nextdoor
17:56 – Paradox of Choice
18:39 – Finding opportunities
20:17 – Potential marketplaces and assets that could be commoditized
20:20 – All Markets Are Not Created Equal: 10 Factors To Consider When Evaluating Digital Marketplaces
21:39 – Usage yield on the world’s assets
23:50 – Has technology changed the world of value investing
26:28 – Hyper niche marketplaces
27:52 – Challenges of labor marketplaces
30:12 – User generated content businesses
32:44 – People who are capable of building UGC businesses
33:16 – His interest in Discord
34:31 – Factors of a healthy marketplace
37:57 – Fools’ gold in marketplace businesses
39:04 – How influx of cash is impacting the marketplace business landscape
40:43 – All Revenue is Not Created Equal: The Keys to the 10X Revenue Club
43:20 – How does the influx of money into the space impact him
46:44 – Spending money to attack top brands
50:32 – Regulatory capture
53:36 – His thoughts on the IPO market
57:49 – How did he realize this was his passion
1:00:42 – Qualifying his passion
1:01:52 – Favorite thing about working with entrepreneurs
102:48 – Honing your craft
1:04:33 – Making yourself a good mentor
1:05:56 – Kindest thing anyone has done for him
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This week I have a very special guest years in the making. Like another favorite episode, with anonymous guest Modest Proposal, this conversation is with one of the stars of the financial twitter universe who writes anonymously and goes by the pseudonym Jesse Livermore. I met Jesse 6 years ago after reading his unbelievably unique investing research, which tackled all the big and interesting issues in markets. He now also works with me as a research partner at OSAM, where’s he’s used our data to continue to his search for truth in markets. Despite being one of the brightest minds I’ve encountered he is also as humble and unassuming as they come. I’m at least a slightly better person because of trying to emulate how he conducts himself. I get to have many conversations with him that go from 0-100 fast, and I’m thrilled to be able to share one of those with you.
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Show Notes
1:33 - (First Question) – Jesse’s origin story for investing
4:37 – Exploring his ways of problem solving starting with intuitive
7:53 – David Epstein Podcast Episode
11:46 – Looking at the analytical way of problem solving
15:42 – Statistical inference
24:45 – Should we opt for simplicity in the investment process
25:26 – Does his own investing include all three, intuition, analysis, and statistics
26:09 – The evolution of his research, process, and thinking on various investment factors.
31:38 – Thoughts on inflation and its impact on market valuation
40:05 – The Earnings Mirage
46:25 – Free Cash flow and valuations
50:51 – What should investors take away from this research
53:01 – Thoughts on trend as an interesting market signal
59:00 – The problems with trend
1:00:34 – Post on “The Single Greatest Predictor of Future Stock Market Returns”
1:11:15 – His work into understanding factors
1:15:36 – Looking at momentum
1:18:16 – His curiosity into the current market cycle
1:20:04 – Lessons learned from his time in the military, an effective way to create an environment where people can safely disagree with their co-workers
1:30:10 – The concept of progress in meaningful work
1:33:08 – Kindest thing anyone has done for him
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My guest today is Chuck Akre, a now widely famous investor who founded Akre Capital Management in 1989, which now manages approximately $10B dollars. We discuss his investing style and his “three-legged stool” for evaluating companies. Please enjoy this great conversation.
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Show Notes
1:06 - (First Question) – Advantage of being in Middleburg, Virginia
2:11 – What a day looks like for Chuck
3:06 – Why imagination is more important than knowledge
3:38 – Difference between curiosity and imagination
4:38 – The origins of the Nirvana Three-Legged Stool concept
10:14 – First leg of the stool, Extraordinary business and ROE’s with a focus on Bandag.
14:36 – How his evaluations of value has changed over the last 10-15 years
16:10 – A look at recent businesses that he’s bought and why they are interesting
19:56 – Why they keep things simple
21:35 – Second leg of the stool, the people involved and characteristics of managers he has invested in
23:20 – Role of capital allocation in the people he focuses on
28:03 – Favorite biographies
29:34 – Third leg of the stool, reinvestment
21:09 – How does he think about diversifying across an investment area
33:32 – Great businesses wrapped in a bad balance sheet
37:35 – What would cause him to sell
38:52 – What does he look for in people
43:27 – How curiosity has impacted his interest in land conservation
43:51 – Advice for investors, especially younger ones
46:14 – Kindest thing anyone has done for him
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My guest this week is Jerry Neumann. Jerry is one of the most thoughtful early stage investors that I’ve encountered, and his writings at reactionwheel.net are my favorite on this topic. He applies an incredibly structured way of thinking to a notoriously mysterious investment category. This is our second conversation, in which we cover why investing with one’s gut is a bad idea and why some of the popular edges in startups, like network effects, may be picked over. Please enjoy our conversation.
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Show Notes
1:17 - (First Question) – His take on the venture landscape and the type of investments new VC’s are making vs what they should be making
3:44 – Most important implications of excess VC firms
5:32 – Misalignment of incentives in the VC space
8:19 – What he does differently from angel investors or VC’s
10:11 – The notion of risk and the types of risk the people he invests in takes
14:33 – Protections that he thinks about when it comes to the ideas he invests in
19:37 – Is there an area of expertise that provides an edge for startups
20:11 – Network effects are picked over
21:35 – IP protection
23:08 – One of the two most interesting things for VC’s to go after, brands
25:13 – The other most important thing, the value chain
27:42 – A current example of a disruptive value chain
29:14 – Innovation as the source of profit
29:16 – Schumpeter on Strategy
31:50 – Efficiency innovation vs value innovation
31:52 – Energy and Civilization: A History
35:50 – Efficiency investments he’s made
37:13 – Investment in Unsupervised and the machine learning landscape
41:25 – Investment in Sila
43:14 – Investment in Edmit
44:44 – investing on gut
50:32 – Black boxes and their value in investments
53:23 – Metrics about the predictive level of whether people are going to succeed
54:45 – What defines good people worth backing
57:50 – Advice for LP investors in this space and how they should evaluate VC’s in this space
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I came across this week’s guest thanks to the overlap of three passions of mine: data informed investing, value creation, and basketball.
Sam Hinkie worked for more than a decade in the NBA with the Houston Rockets, and then most recently as the President and GM of the Philadelphia 76ers. He helped launch basketball's analytics movement when he joined the Houston Rockets in 2005, and is known for unique trade structuring and a keen focus on acquiring undervalued players. Today, he is also an investor and advisor to a limited number of young companies in which he feels his experience can improve outcomes.
At one point in our conversation, Sam mentions that he tracked success via future financial outcomes, so I did some research and found many interesting stats about the 76ers surrounding Sam’s tenure. When he took over the franchise, it was 24th in ESPN’s franchise rankings, and today it is 4th. This is the result of an impressive crop of young talent—players like All-Star Joel Embiid and Ben Simmons—which resulted in large part from unconventional decisions Sam and his team made.
While I’m sure these estimates are imperfect, Forbes estimated the 76ers value at around $418M when Sam took over and $1.2B a few months ago. NBA teams in general have grown in value, so a lot of that appreciation is obviously “beta,” but given that the 76ers had the top percentage growth number more recently of any team, some of it is “alpha,” too. While we can’t parse the exact amount, it seems his unique approach to building a team clearly created some large amount of current franchise equity value. And it looks like the dividends from those decisions will compound for many years to come.
While basketball was where Sam plied his talents in the past, his approach is more elemental. It is about finding great people, using data, and structuring decisions that create the possibility of huge returns, be they financial or otherwise. I don’t know what Sam will do next, be it investing in companies, running one, or taking over another team, but I know it will be fun to watch.
Please enjoy this unique episode with Sam Hinkie.
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Books Referenced
Selfish Reasons to Have More Kids: Why Being a Great Parent is Less Work and More Fun Than You Think
Links Referenced
Show Notes
3:24 – (First Question) Advantages of having a long view and how to structurally harness one
6:08 – Using technology to foster an innovative culture
10:16 – Favorite example of applied innovation from Sam’s career
11:34 - Most fun aspect of doing data analytics early on the Houston Rockets
13:38 - Is there anything more important than courage in asymmetric outcomes
14:29 – How does Sam know when to let the art of decision making finish where the data started
16:29 - Pros and cons of a contrarian mindset
17:26 – Where he wanted to apply his knowledge in sports when first getting out of school and how his thinking is best applied in the current sports landscape
21:39 – How does he think about trying to find the equivalent of mispriced assets in the NBA
23:12 – Where tradition can be an impediment to innovation
25:07 – What did the team and workflow of the team look like in the front office
27:03 - The measure of truth in a sports complex
29:10 – What were the early factors coming out of the data that helped to shape NBA teams
30:42 – Best tactics for hiring
33:59 – Process of recruiting spectacular people
35:39 – Thoughts on fostering a good marriage
37:57 – Picking your kids traits in your spouse
38:02 – Selfish Reasons to Have More Kids: Why Being a Great Parent is Less Work and More Fun Than You Think
40:45 – What kind of markers does he look for when evaluating long term investment ideas
42:44 – His interest in machine learning
45:55 – What’s more exciting, the actual advances in machine learning or the applications that can be imagined as a result
47:15– International Justice Mission
48:11 – How he got started teaching negotiations and some of the points he makes in that class
49:16 – Effective techniques for negotiating
50:03 – Is negotiating contentious, do you need empathy
50:41 – A Rorschach test of Sam based on his reading of Lessons of History (book)
53:01 – Biggest risk Sam took in his career
54:37 – Biggest risks Sam took while with the 76ers
58:09 – Do people undervalue asymmetric outcomes in the NBA
1:00:11 – The players Sam has enjoyed watching over the years
1:02:45 – Why Robert Caro is a favorite author of his
1:04:30 – Kindest thing anyone has done for Sam
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My guest this week is David Epstein. David is a writer and researcher extraordinaire and the author of two great books. His second, Range, is out today and I highly recommend it.
We discuss the pros and cons of both the generalist and specialist mindsets in detail and go down many interesting trails along the way. Please enjoy our conversation.
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Show Notes
1:12 - (First Question) – What he uncovered in “The Sports Gene: Inside the Science of Extraordinary Athletic Performance” that led him to his latest book
2:38 – Debate with Malcolm Gladwell (YouTube)
4:12 – What did the public pay most attention to and what did they gloss over
7:56 – How his views on nature vs nurture shifted during the process of writing The Sports Gene
10:05 – Blending practice with your nature
13:04 – His process of reading 10 journal articles a day as part of his research
19:06 – Exploring his new book “Range: Why Generalists Triumph in a Specialized World”, and his idea of Martian tennis
23:03 – Idea of the cult of the head start and how we set up our own feedback loops
28:58 – What does his research say about the nations education system
30:42 – The Flynn Effect chapter
33:54 – Hacks for learning
37:52 – The concept of struggle and harnessing the power of it
46:31 – Personality changes and how to drive those changes in a positive way
52:00 – Using the outside perspective in businesses for more productive outcomes and how it applied to Nintendo
52:59 – Josh Wolfe Podcast Episode
1:04:45 – Other examples of using withered technologies, 3M
1:09:00 – The arc of his work and how it has evolved
1:13:54 – Taking a different view on problems
1:17:52 – Ending Medical Reversal: Improving Outcomes, Saving Lives
1:18:04– Anyway to change these bad trends with new strategies
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This week I’m hosting an investor retreat and so thought it fitting to release this conversation with Priya Parker on the art of gathering.
I’ve been interested in the topic of community and gathering for some time and along with the book The Art of Community, Priya’s book on the art of gathering is by far the best I’ve read. It is both conceptually interesting and extremely practical. In the book there is literally a table for how big a gathering space should be per person, sorted by the type of vibe you are after.
We had a time constraint but I could have talked to Priya for much longer. I hope you enjoy our conversation as much as I did, and that it inspires you to do something new and different with friends, family, or colleagues.
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Show Notes
1:23 - (First Question) – Overview on what she does as a conflict resolution facilitator
1:38 – The Art of Gathering: How We Meet and Why It Matters
4:45 – Lessons about structuring a gathering from her early very difficult work and the idea of sustained dialogue
7:43 – First event she facilitated
9:38 – Importance of a good opening for any gathering
12:30 – Identifying a good purpose for a gathering
15:06 – Why being specific on rules/code of conduct leads to more success
18:54 – Do rules help facilitate more creativity in groups
21:22 – Segregating a good from bad purpose
24:34 – Identity and good/bad gatherings
26:50 – Purpose and the guest list for a gathering
31:03 – Community building is line drawing
32:27 – Dreams from My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance
34:29 – Importance of well crafted invitations
35:17 – Making the middle of gatherings interesting
39:21 – Exploring risk at gatherings
41:28 – Patterns of Transformation
41:43 – The hero’s journey
46:54 – Making a meaningful transition out of these gatherings
52:39 – Kindest thing anyone has done for Priya
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